It is 2017 "WHY" - do we still have to Explain - what Pain
And if we do - just who are we explaining Pain too and why?
Anaesthetizing forearm decreases sensorimotor impairment and
cortical excitability in Complex Regional Pain Syndrome.
Surely if someone has a Pain in their hand, then they have a
Pain in their hand - does one as a clinician really have to
look the sufferer in their Face to confirm what has been so
Can the new. "What" really
make an Identification of Pain from facial expressions using
spatial frequency information and then profess to have an
effective treatment. Or is it just another money making
exercise or to hide how little is known about Pain.
Talking Cures and Peter Smith never receive funding in any
form or at any time past, present or in the future - from
any source, other than for treatments applied.
Surely it is time we stopped thinking. "Body
in Mind" and
in Body" as the ultimate controller of the entire Body.
In reading this document it would be helpful to consider -
Talking Cures educational style treatments are only applied
in addition to and supportive of all and any forms of
therapy, including Snake Oil style treatments.
If in reading this paper my writing appears to be like a
foreign language or even rambling.
Consider reading this paper not as a book - take some time
to comprehend the contents - where I would like to think and
feel sure it will make sense?
So often, we read or hear in
detail. "What" about
an illness - but rarely if ever does anyone from the
Scientific Medical Community take the time to truly explain, "Why," this
paper is designed to answer many of the questions - we are
so often left with.
Where many times with illness we have the questions and no
answers - or the answers and not the questions.
If I have unwittingly left anything out or not answered
fully or to your satisfaction, please, email me (at the end
of this page) and I will include it in the Paper at the
Please include a copy and paste if possible of the item that
is not clear.
Did we not all struggle as a Child to learn many things -
now, through the experience of life we are extremely
No apology if offered if discussions are repeated within
this paper - the understanding for this, is nothing is more
repeating than Medical Science itself about illness and
illness that is there every day of one's life and - despite
treatments, does not get better or have a satisfactory
scientific or acceptable explanation/understanding.
The first thing in the process of answering this, is for any
- "New understandings are required about illness..."
...as it appears - the existing
education is the same worldwide?
From Talking Cures point of view
and therapeutic practice - names of illness especially
Medically Diagnosed recognised and Scientifically Proven,
are of no real value and are to boost the sagging ego of the
attending Clinicians at their wits end not
knowing. "What," to do next - thus fall into the category
of. "What," in the understanding and treatment of any
illness - In keeping with this New Understanding should not
the only Name we use or symptom we label be...
Person is unable to achieve a Healthy and satisfactory
So - what is Pain?
might seem an easy question everyone knows the answer too,
but really, what is Pain?
it depends on who you ask.
do you mean by that?
say Pain is a warning signal - that something is damaged.
as maybe, but it is 2016, does this seemingly simple
statement - actually satisfy or begin to answer the
question, for anyone who suffers; Pain?
in the slightest; it is in reality, most patronising.
such a statement to a Person in Pain who in reality is far
more intelligent than the Person making the statement - on
themselves, is no more than a
Red Rag to a Bull...
...Thus of negative long-term therapeutic value.
summarise that for me?
is Pain no more no less, complicating it with different
names. "What," is only to hide how little the
what about Pain-free major trauma? How does this feature?
one as a therapeutic technician is unable to see past, the
"incident," then there is no such thing as - Pain free
Answer: Yes easy, the Pain as a result of Emotional Childhood Trauma is what caused the Incident Trauma or the Persons negative reaction (even if legally they were not responsible for the incident,) which may well not be seen for some time - even years.
People say Pain is the Body’s way of telling - you something
is wrong? Point
in reality anyone know just who. "Some
People" or, "They,"
are, or are in reality are these no nothing entities hiding
behind just how little is known and more importantly -
desire to know.
does that answer feature when the Painful Body part - is not
Answer: It is clear you are referring to Phantom Limb Pain, Still in 2016 Medical Science has no real clue as to why this is.
Question: "Some" say;
it is an evil tormentor, relentless, brutal and unforgiving?
some say if one fly's around in circles one fly's back to
And Back to the No Nothing. "Some," Surely if. "Some,"
actually had useful
information about Pain, the world not be consumed by Pain - oops
no profit in that is there.
get your point? But. "Some" say,
it is a reminder that they are broken?
if a Person is in Pain; they do not require reminding they
are broken as the Pain is relentless - thus some of these
Knowledgeable. "They" or "Some," are
not seeing with their Mind, only their Eyes and hearing with
their Ears - both of no value, if the content of the message
from a Person in Pain; is not comprehended and acted upon.
if they proclaim "their Spine" is; ‘out’ or; that their disc
is - ‘slipped?’
all the Medical And Scientific Proof that has abounded for
so many years one would like to think - unless it is for
profit only. People who say this have it explained to them,
if indeed it is the real truth; "discs never slip.
not often. "Others" say,
it is punishment for their sins, or a test of their
we have another branch of no-nothings the "Others." Who
in reality are just spreading Fear in order to maintain the
Psychotic or Religious control of the Non believers.
Or are they looking to the Heavens for answers - as their
own body of Scientific Medicine has none. And in so doing
get those in Pain to accept the Medical Science - all Pain
is of biological cause and nothing to do with their Mind.
Scientists say Pain is a particular pattern of Brain
what branch of know nothings do these so called Scientists
belong to. The "Some"
"They" or "Others."
Surely it is no less than dodgy Scientific motivational
talks for profit, kudos or a Noble a Prize reason to suggest
this and then not have a satisfactory understanding or
what do this mysterious and as yet unknown branch of
medicine. The "SOME,"
"THEY" or "OTHERS" call
Ha Ha you are catching on. reminds me of a prayer like
saying I heard when I was very young...
..."O Lord please help me to keep my big Mouth shut, until I
am awake and know what I am talking about."
The reality is - A ‘weakness
leaving the body sensitive,’ is
one comment so eloquently put by this Erudite Sage like
branch of Medicine. If
it does not include the Mind it is money making nonsense.
there perhaps an addendum to. "A weakness leaving the Body
Answer: Yes "They" profess. "No
Pain? No Gain!" A
pathetic statement from any professor of the, "They,"
"Some" or "Others," department
of Medicine - if ever I heard one.
that statement. "No
Pain? No Gain? the
essence of your point and is it one of those, "What," you
anyone who thinks this is a valued explanation - often used
in sports fitness, has to be out of their. Brain, could have said Mind there,
but as it does not exist in Medical Science; one has to
speak in understandable words.
If there is Pain; there
any Gain, quite
the opposite, there is only more Pain - that arrives when
one has ones eye of the ball (not concentrating) much worse
than before, most times in the guise of New and Mysterious
Symptoms of unknown cause or a recognisable illness.
in your questions and answers routine, you speak as though
there is a hidden message in a statement, If so, is there
one here with this? ‘Pain is what makes me stop and look for
this being said by a Son or Daughter to their Mother or
Father and change the words to. "The Pain makes me stop and
look to you both as to why you acted the way you have that
caused my Pain and how are you going to resolve it before it
becomes a lifelong pursuit - of ever changing Pains and
illness. Only for the Child to be scolded for saying such
things or shut up by being confined to bed without
that from such few words?
and had the Pain a label as to where in the Body it was
situated and without knowing the Child - I could have made
the story more real or personal.
are you saying every symptoms tells its own and unique
is true and to the recipient it is like reading their Mind -
which of course it is not and must be made abundantly clear
- this is so; as attempting to read another's Mind, is Rude,
Crude and abusive of the highest order.
Question: It is said Pain Scientists are reasonably agreed that Pain is an unpleasant feeling in our Body that makes us want to stop and change our behaviour? Has this validity?
my Thirty Three years as a therapist who only works
following the best efforts of so many. "Others." I
have never once read a scientifically proven paper of any
value on this subject.
extract from your question, "hat makes us want to stop and
change our behaviour" is a confirmation of my point and
confirmed by Medical Professors. "We
no longer think of Pain as a measure of tissue damage - it
does not’ actually work that way, even in our highly
controlled experiments." Strange how Medical Science slips in; "Think," when
it feels no one is watching, surely
this is a Mind process.
are, "They" able
to with, "Some" and "Others," now
say with conviction what Pain really is?
strange branch of Scientific Medicine now think of
Pain as a complex and highly sophisticated protective
are. "They," right?
Answer: When. "They" say
"there is no such thing as a Pain receptor." it strikes me
this is the Kettle calling the Pot black by those who are
making the smoke.
In other words medical infighting in order to distract those
in Pain from becoming aware the reality is Medical Science
by its own words - knows nothing to very little of real
can you quantify that seemingly harsh statement?
quoting words from a recent publication...
..."We do, however, have specialized nerves that detect
potentially dangerous changes in temperature, chemical
balance or pressure."
"These ‘danger detectors’ or - ‘nociceptors,’ send alerts to
the Brain, but they cannot send Pain to the Brain - because
all Pain is made by the Brain."
We must give credit where credit is due as the first extract
is the truth of it - although I have to wonder the wisdom in
2016 as any one medically qualified or not; would be able or
perhaps allowed to - quantify this interesting point.
As for the second part it is not
more than Back to Front medical
thinking and working on the instructions of; The entire
Medical Institution of."They,"
"Some" and "Others" of...
"...We do not do it that way DO WE."
Meaning - If you are a Medical Researcher and do not in your
studies and published papers say. "All illness is
Biological" then you cannot remain in our club...
...Confirmed with "because all Pain is made by the Brain."
you suggesting Pain is not made by the Brain?
do not suggest, as I belong to a new breed of People who are
starting to understand, all Pain is but a memory stored
within the Mind - thus I do not belong to that prestigious
no nothing group of. "They,"
"Others," or "Some." I
say what I mean and for my and many others satisfaction have
"...The Brain is no more than a LUMP of Meat without
instructions from the Mind.
Thus the reality of this form of medical thinking is as
always - Back to Front.
I to understand you have been advocating this a long time?
Answer: Yes from my very first training session as a Hypnotherapist in 1982 and all my Thirty Three years as a therapist and still today (2016) to my knowledge from the collective information I have received. All illness is a Mind Creation and Talking Cures is the only therapy/therapist able to treat every symptom a Person is able to present, including dormant or yet to be presented or ever changing Mind and Body symptoms, with just one therapeutic application. (not to be confused with just one treatment.) Using only one therapeutic intervention. "Talking."
there any indication some in the Medical profession are
beginning to catch up to you.
Answer: It appears so -
although the possibility exists they are driven by myself
and my long term demands in many Medical Circles - they
incorporate the Mind and from many different quarters where
they are now beginning to suggest...
..."The Conversation is on Pain being in the Mind, but not
in the way we might think."
is funny and for sure a, "They"
"Others" and "Some" statement?
But why or how?
it is sad and funny at the same time. Shall we will call
this mysterious group of clinicians. "Them" for short and
confirm this with a quote from a paper published in the
somewhat public domain...
..."Pain depends upon the Brain evaluating a massive amount
of information, including danger data - from the danger
How in the year 2016 can highly qualified practitioners and
well respected published professors - make such ludicrous
statements. And then tag it with...
..."but also cognitive data, for example expectations,
previous exposure, cultural, social norms and beliefs where
the context is critical and confirm it with - other sensory
data, for example that from vision, or from other sensors in
Moreover expect to continue with their perceived status.
There is another
aspect of the recent introduction of the Brain into Medical
Thinking and there is a possibility I am at the heart of
this thinking. "Medical Science has a long history of Taking
a new and innovative set of thinking - studying it to
extinction and declaring it Unsafe or not scientifically
proven or even of Novel but no scientific value.
Thus If it (Talking
Cures) is not Scientifically Proven it is of no therapeutic
value. Therefore dangerous.
Failing to see if
Scientifically Proven Biological for Mind created symptoms
treatments do not cure - there is nothing more dangerous
than; Scientifically Proven Medicine.
Question: Am I therefore to understand this statement has no value in the understanding of Pain? "We
now know that Pain can be turned on, or turned up by
anything that provides the Brain with credible evidence that
the Body is in danger and needs protecting?"
you are correct it is no more than guesswork or another
nonsense statement by. "Them;" yet
they profess to know - it
is one of the wise choices we make.
Another and perhaps
more profound way of expressing this - is once again...
...Back to Front Medical Thinking.
to front Medical thinking - what does this mean?
is no secret the entire medical profession still today best
we say 2015 as 2106 has hardly started, will or does only
accept - all illness is of a Biological creation and the
Mind plays no part in illness (Pain.)
statement extract from above, "the
Brain with credible evidence that the Body is in danger and
needs protecting?" clearly
Body first, then Brain, Never Mind - is Back
to Front medical
thinking - as are all scientifically proven medical
If it were not then
we would not be required to have this debate.
there any ways we can confirm. "Them;" work
in this manner?
there are and this extract from published papers
"...Pain is only one mechanism by which we are protected."
..."We are blissfully unaware of the other things that are
happening, all the time, to protect us."
Question: Is it "us" or Medical Science referred to with, "we
are blissfully unaware?"
Answer: Both would be the correct answer. We... can be forgiven... But!
Ha very funny. I am not so sure that is what was intended
with the statement? So did you miss what it was saying?
I did not miss it - but felt it required more of an
This is what I feel
it was referring too.
immune system releasing inflammatory molecules to kill
invaders or repair broken tissue.
autonomic (automatic) system increasing our arousal, preparing
us to run.
endocrine system stimulating healing and recovery.
motor system tweaking our movement patterns to modify and
vary mechanical Stressors on certain tissues.
good how are you able to verify you saw this?
once again recognising, "preparing us to run." is a Mind
Thought process not Biological and being aware this is Back
to Front thinking of. "Them..."
"...It is only our Feelings -
Pain, Fear, Hunger, Thirst and Fatigue - that engage our
entire being in the task of protection and preservation."
does this really demonstrate - it is all about the Brain and
not at all about the Mind Body connection?
course not. "Them" say
- these danger detectors are distributed across almost all of our Body tissues and act as. ‘Eyes of the Brain.’
Question: Surely they are correct by suggesting..= "When there is a sudden change in tissue environment, these danger detectors are our first line of defense - they alert the Brain."
course from a pure biological point of view this would be
correct as the signals from the Body to the Brain mobilise
inflammatory mechanisms, releasing their own immune
molecules that increase blood flow, cause the release of
healing molecules from nearby tissue, thereby triggering the
where is the problem or contradiction?
we must recognise this is a Natural - as stated in No 2
above, response the entire Body would make to an external
stimulus and is correct - but if we use this papers own
words. "The Brain creates the Pain" - we can surely see this
is Back to Front thinking or simply put the lack of desire
and subsequent blindness of the Medical Profession to see
the Brain as is the Body - no more than a lump of Meat, that
only works on instructions from the Mind and its collective
It is when
Pain persists after a reasonable healing period it is easier
to see this is Back to Front thinking by. "THEM." And
of no treatment value whatsoever.
we accept the premise of Body sensors to alert the Brain;
are there or should there be - automatically overriding Body
functions to act as a protector?
there are and of course there must be - A Local or Body
created anaesthetic renders these danger detectors useless,
so danger messages are not triggered and, as such, we can be
Pain-Free despite major tissue trauma.
However as we
previously discussed to make sense of this process we must
first understand the Incident causing; the. "Major Tissue
And the reason why
there is no or delayed Pain - the Mind is still processing
or attempting to make sense of the traumatic incident
information as to apportioning responsibility.
If the Mind accepts
responsibility Pain is as demonstrated at the start of this
paper - Number One below.
If it cannot accept
responsibility, then Pain not only is demonstrated it only
slots into Number Two below.
Moreover is why
Pain persists despite the very best Scientifically Proven
Treatments we are working to understand.
Not the Automatic
Tissue repair process, that we cannot interfere with - as
the autonomic process cannot sustain the damage or not
repair - unless instructed by the Mind.
are we to know the automatic repair process you mention is
not or has not taken place?
Answer: When Inflammation exists long after a considered natural repair time.
happens if this automatic process does not take place?
inflammation renders these danger detectors more sensitive.
does this mean?
inflamed or damaged tissues, respond to situations that are
not necessarily or actually dangerous, as they are
programmed to create a magnified buffer of protection so
that healing can occur without interruption.
there a better way this can be expressed?
the inflammation is in reality part of the repair process -
which should naturally diminish its activity as repair
Question: What a fearfully and wonderfully complex protective adaptation? Does it have a Medical, Name?
Answer: Yes it is often referred to as Fibromyalgia a cause unknown and with no known cure multi and ever changing symptom presentation disorder - which still in January 2016 is still a worldwide mystery.
are these Danger messages highly processed before they even
reach the Brain? and is the Brain itself complicit in the
is total nonsense by. "Them," in
order to once again ensure all Pain is of Biological
explain that - in a manner I can understand?
Answer: First we must recognise the Body itself has no processing ability as it works on a loop back process as instructed by the Mind - it is by this papers own definition, "the Body is only able to transmit messages from damaged and can we accept undamaged tissue to the Brain." The Mind responds according to the information received to instigate healing or sustain Pain, depending on the style of information received.
If the Pain is in
the Mind as a traumatic memory - then it will select (Laser
Aim) an area of the Body relative to the information and the
trauma in which to create sensitivity or Pain and will not
release this Pain until an understanding is received for the
In addition as the
Brain is only able to work like a computer with the power on
and with instructions, something has to be doing the
processing and that is not the Brain - as on its own it has
no processing power.
you demonstrate some form of proof of that statement?
course and using the published papers own words; For
danger detectors synapse. "In the nervous system, a synapse
is a structure that permits a neuron or nerve cell to pass
an electrical or chemical signal to another neuron with,
‘second order danger messengers,’ called ‘spinal
nociceptors’ in the spinal cord.
nociceptors send their danger message into the Brain, but
they are also are under real-time control from the Brain.
and decreasing their sensitivity according to what the Brain
suggests would be helpful.
if the Brain’s evaluation of all available information leads
it to conclude that things are truly dangerous, then
sensitivity of spinal nociceptors increases - called
the Brain concludes things are not truly dangerous, then
sensitivity of spinal nociceptors decreases - called
1-5 are no more that a desperate effort by desperate Medical
Science to ensure ALL Pain is of Biological Cause as the
Mind is never mentioned.
Finely one can consider there are only Two Types of Pain.
and requires no specific intervention.
repairs - despite the very latest and Scientifically Proven
when there are comments as this from this paper. "Remember
that it is not a Pain message that is being modified, but a
- Clearly; there is a demonstration once again not much is
in reality or almost nothing is known about Pain.
Moreover as. "Them," suggest
- In this way, the Brain works like a Government Minister
who advises the head bureaucrat what the Minister wants to
Clearly it is poor
Medical Science messing with the entire Body Systems in the
hope one day they will find some answers.
Rather like the fictitious story of Dr Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
which had the message - Mess with the Mind and one becomes a
Mad Person who Murders innocent People.
Perhaps in reality
Should have said...
..."Dr Jekyll gave
Mr. Hyde a Poison in the guise of a Medication and it was
this that made Mr. Hyde a Mad Murderer."
Serious? What then - in the light of the above can be made
of this. "Once
a danger message does arrive at the Brain, the extent and
complexity of evaluation is truly mind boggling."
am deadly serious. Although, "we"
there are - Many Brain regions involved and the exact mix of
Brain regions varies between individuals and in fact,
between moments within individuals.
We have not a clue what we are
talking about or why all of this happens and we cannot do a
long-term management thing with the Pain - as it keeps
this extract from the paper confirm your point?
..."To understand how Pain emerges into consciousness will
require us to understand how consciousness itself emerges
and that is the ‘hard problem,’ which is proving to be very
Answer: It sure does, surely in 2016 if Medical Science had proven its worth to date this type of publishing should be confined to the waste bin of medical history failures of ability to understand Pain or comprehend anything of real value.
Question: So are you saying there is a complete failure to understand how Pain works in ‘real life People,’ with ‘real life Pain.’
one has to accept - if one can apply a reasonably easy
principle: using credible knowledge or any credible evidence
that the Body is in danger and then develop a treatment
regime that offers a protective behaviour - this would be
Sadly it still does
not exist! As millions of Pain sufferers including highly
acclaimed and published Pain Specialists would attest to;
still being in Pain after often decades of suffering and
many different management techniques behind them.
what should or does indeed happen with current biological
credible evidence that the Body is safe should decrease the
likelihood and intensity of Pain.
Sadly this never
happens as this style of Scientifically Proven Intervention
will only increase the likelihood and intensity of Pain and
in so doing create more and often mysterious symptoms.
is as simple and as difficult as that?
one is mesmerised by Medical Science one would like to think
so, If one is not then the answer lies within the
available and so called latest understandings as described
in their own words.
are important implications here. To reduce Pain, we need to
reduce credible evidence
can do this by turning off danger detectors, which is very
effective in cases of acute injury.
it comes to Pain not associated with a clear or ongoing
injury - which is the vast majority of persistent Pain
states, even those with positive MRI results or blood
...Oops - then local anaesthetic approach is usually
you saying this is all Back to Front biological medical
Answer: No. "Them" are
- read on.
challenge becomes a more complex one - we must identify all
the sources of credible evidence of danger - that might
exist in how the immune system is working, or the endocrine
system, the movement system, the evaluative - cognitive
system, or the very mechanisms by which the Brain is
representing the Body.
Is an unambiguous demonstration in their own words how
pathetically little is known and a desperate attempt to
maintain the perceived status of Medical Science - know and
have the so called scientific proof - all
illness is biological and this must not be argued.
a Scientific point of view - where if anywhere does the
final consideration relate to, with Chronic Pain?
Science tells us - The most burdensome health issue on the
planet in terms of years lived with disability and economic
cost to our society. Is
after all of the years of intense study - how or why can
the above applies but with one very significant caveat: the
hardware - the biological structures involved in conveying
and processing danger messages and in integrating other
threatening cues, increases its sensitivity.
Pain is of Biological creation - well we the Medical
Scientists believe this to be so.
Neuroplasticity fit anywhere into the thinking of."Them?"
feel sure they (THEM) would
attempt to explain this away with. "This, the dark side of
neuroplasticity is one significant reason that recovery from
persistent Pain is seldom a quick fix, but requires a
journey of patience, persistence and good coaching.
Meaning once again
in their own words, "patience, persistence and good
coaching." We are too blinded by Medical Science to see Pain
is a process of the Mind and not at all Biological.
that a. "What?"
is and this confirms so - Our efforts focus on decreasing
sensitivity in the system and training it, gradually over
time, to be less protective.
this Conversation really allowed us to expand the current
vision of the understanding of Pain?
give them credit where it is due, it may well have been an
excellent Explainer of Pain had it incorporated the Mind as
the cause of Pain.
Sadly it is
just a clinical scientist trying to desperately garner a
funding living out of investigating - Pain in Humans.
- If I was in the position of having employment posts
at major and well respected Universities in many countries,
being appointed professor of neuroscience published many
papers, books and numerous book chapters.
keynote or invited presentations at interdisciplinary
meetings in many countries, provided professional education
in Pain Sciences to as many again medical and health
practitioners and given public lectures.
with governmental and industry bodies on Pain-related
issues. been awarded for being an outstanding clinical
scientist working in a Pain-related field and was short
listed for the Best Innovative and Potentially Trans
Based on the clinical fact of access to Patient records. I
would seriously have to look at the short Medium and
long-term outcome of the People I offered treatment too - or
the outcome of treatments by my students and be especially
concerned if the Treatment for the Pain was by my own or
even the Patients reckoning 100% successful - what happened
to such a Person's health some Three years or so, after the
so called successful treatment.
Understanding the Mind and its interactions with the Body I
would know without a doubt the Person would have developed
new and now mysterious symptoms of Mind and Body ill health.
the Persons new medical teams - if the Person died as a
result of the new mysterious symptoms; they would have to
..."The Person Died of an unrelated disorder,"
In order to
protect the seemingly successful treatment of the Pain
listed clearly in the Patient records.
having been through all of that whilst at the same time
recognising the importance of the understanding of Pain at
the start of 2016?
How does Talking Cures view Pain?
understood and treated Pain and Multiple Mysterious Symptoms
in People as Medical Failures and written extensively about
Pain for over three decades now - in order to understand
Pain we have to understand and accept, all illness is as
unique to a Person as their fingerprint.
in order to
understand Pain in 2016 one must look back in time - take
any individual and look along their time-line to before even
their Parents met.
will be in some way or another traumatised by their Parents.
- who do not desire - in a loving sort of way, their Child
to grow up to suffer in the same manner as they did.
realising all they will accomplish is a clone (Carbon Copy)
of themselves - thus a Victim of their own upbringing.
meet fall in love marry and procreate as expected - not
being at all aware their body chemistry is both Toxic and
Child is born they too are a Victim with their own body
chemistry and reaction to the now - non beneficial family
will seek to establish their own Code of Conduct and
Standards and Priorities to run their life by.
Person has life information coming at it from the earliest
of age, it automatically recognises it as comfortable,
unpleasant or traumatic whilst the information is within the
so-called Conscious Mind, where it instantly stores the
information in the Subconscious Mind, be it Positive
Negative or indifferent in a logical sequential order at
that moment in time.
information cannot be changed - although it may well appear
to be forgotten, it is always as active chemically as if
remembered on a minute by minute bases.
In order to
really understand Pain we must accept a Persons explanation
as an uncomfortable sensory experience.
Pain - from Painful information is a process of the Mind
enacted in order to make sense of this mass of information
and store it within the confines of the Subconscious Mind
for Lifetime use, or to run one’s life, attitudes, interest
and activities by.
information is deemed as Negative - This will be felt as
Fear = Anxiety = Inadequacy (unable to cope with life’s
demands) Anger, Frustration, Aggression including many or
all - natural/unnatural and comforting Human Emotional
Spiders or Mice is a symptom not a cause.
process the Mind and the Body, in order for these processes
to take place or be set, creates a new chemical order; or
complete bodily set of chemicals.
point on in simple terms - a Person becomes susceptible to
illness, Pain or both.
Now we can
again consider. There are only two types of Pain:
which self-repairs and requires no treatment intervention.
- deemed as biological, which never repairs and is always
changing and treatment resistant.
a conscious point of view Pain can seem to provide a degree
of protectionism, it cannot and must not be relied on to
course Pain, particularly Chronic Pain is extremely
debilitating in as many ways as one can think, touching all
members of the community at some time in their lives.
most Pain is never successfully treated.
Pain can be
considered in a number of ways Pain! Pain! And more Pain!...
...It is no more complicated than that…
Therapist or Pain Specialist to consider threshold of Pain
in a Person - to be of a high or low level - is of no
therapeutic treatment value.
Person qualified to judge Pain is the sufferer.
of telling or explaining the different scientific Names or
explanations of Pain will make in the long-term an iota of
difference to the Pain experienced.
consider; If we have had a Pain for a long time and no
amount of rest and exercise has helped in its cure, why is
it, when we say take vigorous exercise and are left the
following day with muscle aches we had not experienced
before, it repairs on its own!
of Pain - symptom - is no more than that, yes there may have
been an accident/incident. Illness takes the same course -
still this is a symptom.
Or is Pain
when described by a Patient no more than a collective
(symptom List) or is it really just descriptive (Diagnoses)
and is the former the reason why Pain is so Treatment
Resistant or the latter?
cause of the Pain is what caused the distraction of the
concentration to allow the accident/incident in the first
place and is why in 2016 so little in real terms is known
all have been subjected to. "The Mind;" is not implicated in
illness by Medical Science with not a cure to its name.
Part of the above explanation of Pain has been
extracted from a 1998 Paper. "Pain;" at this link. Pain
you or do you find Doctors try to think as if they were
their own Patient? And if so how can you express or describe
such a situation?
question I do love being put into such situations, in
addition if I have to result to "Thinking" - like one of
those "What's" - I would feel there is something wrong with
my Training and Long-term and updated latest knowledge.
Consider this fictitious letter were
I to feel I was one of. "Them." I "may" ( I would not I
would face my Patient) if only to comfort my own Mind and
technical skill, write in order to make my peace - with a
long suffering Patient.
this letter please take into consideration it is a letter
from the Public Domain from a Doctor to their Patient and
may or may not be fictitious.
edited it in such a way as to be Positive not negative as it
was originally - I cannot treat every Person in my street in
Pain - thus this is for education purposes only - with the
hope it eases someone's long-standing and treatment
resistant PAIN or helps a dedicated Doctor ease his/her
You have it
very hard, much harder than most People and Family and even
Dedicated Doctors -Therapists accept or are even prepared to
try to understand.
So let us
work as a team in order to prove them all incorrect in their
thinking, "all Pain is biological and nothing to do with the
spent Thirty Three years listening to the stories, seeing
the tiredness in many People's eyes, hearing People try to
describe the indescribable, I have, having listened to many
Doctors and Therapists doing their very best with poor
Scientifically - or not, Proven Tools Techniques and
Understandings. Accepted - I completely understand what a
life of Pain is like.
absolutely aware; I not only cannot truly understand any
Personal Pain or Illness and must NOT; as this is most
Patronising and not at all Therapeutically Helpful.
importantly from a Patient "If you do not have or have had
Pain or illness like ME - then you do not or cannot
Understand my Pain or illness. Is not helpful to either
this style of thinking is often more destructive to
healthcare and long-term well being, than NO Treatment at
all or only for the well-being of the treatment applying
Person Having been asked so many times to answer this
question, “how do you feel?” when as that Person you have
forgotten what “normal” feels like.
But then - because I do not have to Think, "Why," about
your answer, I never ask such patronising questions - for if
with my vast training and experience having applied a
treatment; if I do not know whether there will be a
beneficial outcome - even if it is not instant, then No one
Does or Will, so why should I have to ask such a question.
I know deep within your Mind you will say. "You do not or
cannot know - as you do not or will never Understand my real
Pain because you are not ME, therefore asking me such a
stupid question - will only get you a stupid non sensible -
change of conversation - reply.
I will never ask; how do you deal with all of the People who
think you are exaggerating your Pain, your emotions, your
fatigue or illness.
I will say. "Why." These
are the very People who made you ill and in so doing, do not
see anything wrong - so want to keep you in the position
they unwittingly designed for you.
And with my
integrity, wisdom and extensive knowledge - teach you at the
appropriate time, how to naturally and comfortably deal with
the secure understanding; "If working together, "we," cannot
get you to a position of being more comfortable in your Mind
and Body and able to defend yourself with a fierce ferocity
yet in an assertive and passive manner - as required and
more superior than my own ability.
have no option but to feel and think - there is not only
something wrong with my education and teaching - there is
some wrong with Me.
following such a situation you will carry on as if nothing
untoward had happened.
- I will understand this long-standing process leading you
to have Pain your Body is not or has not been able to
self-repair, denies you the ability of being Pain-Free by
making you a. "VICTIM" and you have no option but to feel -
all is your "FAULT," thus incapable of deciding when to
believe significant others in your life or when to trust
your own Mind and Body?
I will never request of you; "How do you cope with
living a life that will not let you forget about your
frailty, your limits, your mortality." Unless
I have well prepared you to understand the implications.
This is most
seriously Patronising and nothing to do with treatment by a
Doctor only able to manage Pain - never even thinking of a
when one considers the entire Medical Profession will not
accept the Mind is implicated in ill health - this is either
just for the ego boosting of the practitioner and attending
team or for the creation of another invoice for the Future
attending/prescribing Medical Teams.
letter and the list below so eloquently describes - I
cannot imagine myself or any Doctor saying to a long-term
suffering Patient. "I do bring something to the table that
you may not know: And this revelatiob being for the Patients
feel sure you are full of information that you cannot
really understand because of your unique perspective of your
battered world, where the reality is because - so far no one
has been able to explain in understandable language your
situation - we
will change that.
is something that you need to understand, while it will not
undo your Pain, make your Fatigue go away or lift your
Emotions, it will help you. How;
you have just told me you cannot will not cure my Pain.
3. It is information without which you bring yourself more Pain than you need suffer; it’s a truth that is a key to getting the help you need much easier than you have in the past. How!
may not seem important, but trust me, it is. Why
should I trust you!
scare Doctors. No, I am not talking about the fear of
Disease, Pain or Death. Are
you saying you do not have the courage of the convictions a
successful treatment should bring.
am not talking about Doctors being afraid of the limits of
their knowledge. You
are not talking any sense!
7. I am talking about your understanding of a fact that everyone else seems to miss, a fact that many Doctors hide from: we are normal, fallible People who happen to Doctor for a job. We are not special. So
come down of your high moral horse and recognise the
Scientific Proof you have to rely on only demonstrates you
are worthy of such an accolade of - not
fact, many of us are very insecure, wanting to feel the
affirmation of People who get better, hearing the praise of
those we help. So
why do I not hear you scream at Medical Science...
..."We want treatments of the Twenty Firsts Century designed
to cure not Maim - as in the story of Dr Jekyll and Mr.
want to cure disease, to save lives, to be the helping hand,
the right Person in the right place at the right time...
...So why do you not recognise the only success in reality
you ever have - is subsequent and total failure. Is it not
said, Medical Science always buries their successes.
Chronic Unsolvable disease stands - square in our way. Point
11. You do not get better and it makes many of us frustrated, it makes some of us Mad
at you. Why
Mad at us should you not be Mad at your Masters, after all
you are supposed to be the medical professional.
do not want to face things we cannot fix - because it shows
our limits. So
just who is the Mug here Doctor - People in Pain or you the
highly trained medically qualified Doctor.
13. We want the miraculous
deny us that chance. You
make my point very eloquently Doctor.
since this is the perspective you have when you see Doctors,
your view of them is quite different. And
it appears justifiably so.
15. You see us getting frustrated. No
not true - you see yourself getting frustrated and take it
out on People in Pain because the convention of Scientific
Medicine will not allow anyone to question the uselessness
of Medical Science.
see us when we
feel like giving up. How
do you think (oops you do not think - you are not allowed
too) we feel when you keep changing the name of our Pain in
order to hide up how little you know and then Blame us for
17. When we take care of you, we have to leave behind the illusion of control, of power over disease. Is
that because the reality is you always knew you never had
any control as treatments are not designed to cure.
get angry, feel insecure and want to move on to a Patient
who we can fix, save, or impress. Name
just one Doctor in an illustrious career with perhaps a
Noble Prize who has actually cured a Person of a disease.
Cure = No more illness and no more medications and the term
The Person died of an unrelated disorder did not apply in
the next say Ten Years.
...Now that truly would be impressive.
19. You are the rock that proves how easily the ship can be sunk. So
it is true Medical Science always buries its successes. Does
not the Sea always give up its dead.
your view of Doctors is quite different. Based
on decades of suffering being promised a Cure - is it not
the correct thing we in Long-term Pain have a different
there is the fact that you also possess something that is
usually within our domain: knowledge.
know more about your disease than ALL Doctors and Therapists
...So why is it no Doctor ever listens to their Patients.
Surely if they did we would at least have one Cure for one
23. Your MS, rheumatoid
arthritis, end-stage kidney disease, Cushing’s disease,
bipolar disorder, chronic pain disorder, brittle diabetes,
or disabling psychiatric disorder - your defining Pain - is
something most of us do not regularly encounter. And do not
want to because in the Main - we caused it for invoicing
something most of us try to avoid.
you possess deep understanding of something that many
Doctors do not possess.
Doctors who specialise in your disorder do not share the
kind of knowledge you can only get through living with a
like a Parent’s knowledge of their Child - versus that of a
may have breadth of knowledge, but you have depth of
knowledge - that no Doctor can possess...
...So it is the real truth; Doctors do not see with their
Eyes or even listen with their Ears let alone their Brain -
as they do not by their own scientifically proven findings;
have a MIND.
when you approach a Doctor - especially one you have never
met before, you come with a knowledge of your disease that
they do not have and a knowledge of the Doctor’s
limitations that few other Patients have.
see why you scare Doctors? They
are no different to you as Victims of Profit makers.
31. It is not your fault that you do scare Doctors, but ignoring this fact will limit the help you can only get from them...
...So are you saying Doctor I should be permissive to you
and take without proper medical advice the medications that
have no long-term proven efficacy and ignore the
If I take the medications you prescribe - all that will
happen is the Pain albeit temporarily will be obliterated -
but you have no knowledge my Mind is still working very hard
or harder to create the Pain and will just move it somewhere
else in my Body.
know this because, just like you know your disease better
than any Doctor, I know what being a Doctor feels like more
than any Patient could ever understand. Sadly
Doctor by your own words, you do not know "ME."
33. You encounter Doctors intermittently - more than perhaps you wish; I live as a Doctor continuously. With
that comment what happened too and did you not take at the
beginning of your study to become a Doctor; the oath. "First
do no harm."
34. So let me be so bold as to give you advice on dealing with Doctors. Having
read only part of this letter from you - How can any advice
you give a Person in Long-Term Pain be of any value!
are some things you can do to make things easier and others
that can sabotage any hope of a good relationship: Dont come
on too strong - yes, you have to advocate for yourself, but
remember that Doctors
are used to being in control. Are
you as a Dedicated Doctor not able to see my Pain was
created by a Psychotic Control Freak so with that comment
why should I listen to you and more importantly take the
Poisons you so profit making prescribe.
36. All Patients should enter the surgery with immediate respect, but your understanding has torn down the Doctor-God illusion. And
not before time I might add. I
was brought up with "Go in fear of the Lord."
And unlike the
medical profession I can see this idiom has killed more
People than any natural disastrous event - including Man
37. That is a good thing in the long-run, but few Doctors want to be greeted with that reality from the start. Surely
if Doctors were not taught to have such a low self-value of
what they are professing to do; then People in Pain would
not have to attempt to Emotionally - Pull Doctors up to
goal with any Doctor is to build a partnership of trust that
goes both ways and coming on too strong at the start can
hurt your chances of ever having that. So
if it goes both ways should the Doctor not start the process
as they are the one with the qualifications and scientific
knowledge - thus deemed to be in charge. Do
we not go into a shop and expect the salesperson to be civil
to us and in so doing - desire our business.
39. Show respect. I say this one carefully, because there are certainly some Doctors who do not treat Patients with respect - especially ones like you with Chronic Disease. Demonstrates
my point with the eloquence of a battering ram.
Doctors should be avoided. Perhaps
should relinquish their license to practice.
41. But most of us are not like that; we really want to help People and try to treat them well. So
scream at your profiteering masters for treatments that cure
not maim. Not at us vulnerable Patients looking puppy eyed
to highly educated Doctors for some relief from our Pain.
we have worked very hard to earn our position; it was not
bestowed by inheritance or family tree.
as you want to be listened to, so do we.
So do some listening for a change with your Mind - your
treatments are designed not to cure but for Profit and we
are the ones paying the invoice in some manner or other.
Thus if you want to earn a living Doctoring - do not do it
at our expense by keeping us on many medications with more
evidence they do not work than ever suggested they did,
therefore are purposely; not curing.
44. Keep your eggs in only a few baskets - find
a good primary care Doctor and a couple of specialists you
to Dream anyone in Pain or ill could achieve this as; All
Doctors are under orders to sing from the same song sheet.
"Profit before Profit." All Scientifically Proven of Course.
expect a new Doctor to figure things out quickly. But
do they in real terms EVER.
takes years of repeated visits to really understand many
Chronic Disease Patients. Makes
best care happens when a Doctor understands the Patient and
the Patient understands the Doctor. But
do they in real terms EVER Understand.
can only happen over time. Is
it not fair to say the only time our dedicated Doctors
understand is when the Patient is Dead - but died of an
I struggle even seeing the chronically sick Patients for
other Doctors in my practice. Do
you ever report this failure of other Doctors to the Medical
Scientists so they can improve their product outcome.
is something very powerful in having understanding built
over time. When
with almost with every Patient they have many more symptoms
on many more medications over time - please demonstrate to
me where the Understanding EVER really improved a Patient's
the ER only when absolutely needed - Emergency room
physicians will always struggle with you. When
Politicians and Doctors treat People as this letter
demonstrates sometimes as the Doctors best efforts have only
made things worse - ER is the only option.
expect that. Their job is to decide if you need to be
hospitalized, if you need emergency treatment, or if you can
go home. If
the Doctors best efforts have sent me here - is this not an
might not fix your Pain and certainly will not try to fully
understand you. That is not their job. Is
has been the job of the specialised Pain Clinic I have been
attending for many years now and the Pain has become an
emergency despite their best Scientifically proven efforts -
so is it not NOW your job Emergency Service.
went into their specialty to fix problems quickly and move
on, not manage chronic disease. Is
this because they knew from the start - Scientifically
Proven Medicine is not intended to Cure.
same goes for any Doctor you see for a short time; They
will try to get done with you as quickly as possible.
56. Do not avoid doctors; one
of the most satisfying things for me (Talking Cures) is when
a complicated Patient comes in after a long absence with a
huge list of problems they want me to address, so
why should Doctors not be able to achieve this.
cannot work that way yet I do not think many Doctors "can." Could
not have said that better myself.
58. Each Doctor visit should address only a few problems at a time, otherwise Doctors get confused and make mistakes. Or
is it better said they only get paid - cash or brownie
points - for a visit not the symptoms - One visit, one
symptom - one invoice.
59. It is OK to keep a list of your own problems so things don’t get left out. I
actually like getting those lists, as long as People expect
me (Talking Cures) to handle all of the problems under the
one treatment regime and not Manage the symptoms.
60. It helps me by ensuring the Patient feels I am working with and not against them. Try
looking at this from the Patients point of view - when their
symptoms only get worse and you want to increase the
medications that exacerbated the earlier symptoms.
61. Do not put up with the jerks - unless you have no choice - in the ER, for example, you should keep looking until you find the right Doctor(s) for you. Please
tell me where this breed of clinicians reside - as based on
the well proven fact Medical Science has no cures; I cannot
Doctors are not cut out for chronic disease, while some of
us like the long-term relationship. Great
for the Profit - not so good for the Patient.
63. Do not feel you have to put up with Doctors who do not listen or minimize your problems. Would
it not be better if Doctors changed this high-handed
the minimum, you should be able to find a Doctor who
does not totally have a little knowledge, desire and
where on earth does such a Doctor reside.
65. Forgive us - Sometimes I forget about important things in my Patient's lives. Is
this because Doctors will not accept - even they have a
66. Sometimes I do not know you have had surgery or that your sister comes to see me as well. As
I do not read your Patient Records before you come into the
surgery or they are not up-to-date.
67. Sometimes I avoid People because I
do not want to admit my limitations. Funny
that Doctor. People avoid People in Pain or ill when they
talk about their Pain or illness to them, such is the Stigma
the Medical Profession have created or contributed too.
patient with me - I usually know when I have messed up and
if you know me well I do not mind being reminded.
maybe I mind it a little.
You know better than anyone that we Doctors are just people - with
all the stupidity, inconsistency and fallibility of
Scientifically Proven Treatments that goes with that -
who happen to be Doctor for a living...
...Surely if a highly educated professional who professes
they have the Scientific Proof cannot be challenged on what
they Profess - then it must be considered what they profess
is not so Scientifically Proven after all - therefore not
worthy of the challenge.
hope this helps and I really hope you get the help you need.
is not satisfactory that you have your problem; I just hope
this information perhaps decreases that a little bit.
These last two comments are perhaps the final dismissal a
Dedicated Doctor would have to make as the so called Medical
Science has once again let them down and they do not know
how to say so.
It is appreciated
having read this list separating what a Doctor may have no
option to say from Talking Cures comments may not be so easy
- thus, consider if a comment rattles you and you are unsure
why - it may well be but not always be a Doctors comment.
If there is a more
comforting feeling - it is Talking Cures with but one aim in
Mind when offering treatment to a Person with long-standing
multiple drug obliterated symptoms, where the Mind is still
carrying out the instructions that caused the Pain/illness
in the first place.
the Person at some time is able to become the Person they
should have without the traumatic life that caused ALL of
the illness symptoms.
Thus all illness, Pain, fatigue that does not self-repair
whilst so often at a late stage be seen by imaging
techniques - is no more than a Memory, for if the Mind did
not remember the Painful Memories - there would be no Pain
or illness as the Immune Systems would have carried out
we accept in 2016 this is a much required and extremely
detailed explanation of Pain and why it is so often if not
always misunderstood and poorly treated or managed?
Please! Now explain
Pain - in the simplest way possible?
order to truly understand Pain or illness, it is helpful to
Understand ALL illness is created for life; no later than
the considered age of maturity - say Twenty
when a Child leaves the Parental home, whatever comes first.
Never later, as all illness experience is only a
confirmation of an earlier belief - that no one will ever
Pain may wait until
a Person has reached maturity or even become aged before it
shows - No matter what age a Person is, there is no question
it was created in Childhood, one could add, Pre Birth or
Information not to
the Foetus or Child's liking (it is pure Scientific Folly to
consider a Child in the womb does not have a Mind or Memory)
comes to the attention of the Child who makes a decision in
order for the information to be securely stored in the
irrevocably alters the Entire Body Chemistry and can take
many years to demonstrate Pain or illness.
Child grows it will make many attempts to gather
Understanding of the now traumatic stored information -
which will remain Dormant yet Highly Active as though it was
Inflammation demonstrating Symptoms and will be ever
changing as a result of failed attempts by significant
People to Cure the Inflammation or Pain of truly demonstrate Understanding It
need be no more complicated than this.
Whilst it must be recognised, the
framework for this paper is in the public domain and credit
given to the authors;
Peter Smith Talking Cures asserts the
right to be recognised as author and Intellectual ©Copyright
holder of his contribution to this document Dated 19th
Thus, this document is free to use as
an education or Patient led assistance in its entirety.